Comments on: Making Sense of Referral Waits http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/ A collaborative blog advocating ethics in adoption Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:13:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Z. http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-135 Z. Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:07:54 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-135 Not the best agency (in-country support for one) but fast referral: http://rothvinson.blogspot.com/ 4/23/2007: Dossier to Viet Nam (DTV!). 7/2/2007: REFERRAL Not the best agency (in-country support for one) but fast referral: http://rothvinson.blogspot.com/
4/23/2007: Dossier to Viet Nam (DTV!).
7/2/2007: REFERRAL

]]> By: Kim http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-96 Kim Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:42:01 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-96 Please tell me what Nicki's site is. Thanks! Please tell me what Nicki’s site is.
Thanks!

]]> By: Jena http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-80 Jena Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:58:27 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-80 Sorry, I should have said "infant girl" and "infant boy". Sorry, I should have said “infant girl” and “infant boy”.

]]> By: Jena http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-79 Jena Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:57:52 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-79 I think if you are using an ethical agency the wait would be 9-18 months for a boy and 12-24 months for a girl. Check out Nicki's site for a list of ethical agencies and their wait times. I think if you are using an ethical agency the wait would be 9-18 months for a boy and 12-24 months for a girl. Check out Nicki’s site for a list of ethical agencies and their wait times.

]]> By: kelley http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-78 kelley Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:21:02 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-78 So, what is the current (in general) wait time for a referral from Vietnam? Anybody know? So, what is the current (in general) wait time for a referral from Vietnam? Anybody know?

]]> By: Y. http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-73 Y. Fri, 22 Jun 2007 23:39:31 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-73 Now and then, old agencies with resource and initiative, or new agencies, both add new orphanages and provinces to their list (as the Vietnamese government becomes more familiar with the administration of the program). If you Google often and inform often about old and new agencies' news, you'll be able to get in at the right time and get short referral wait as people did in 2006. PS: You often see hundreds of toddlers in orphanages but orphanages do have to take care of a few abandoned infants all the time. PS: Amazing videos: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XaPCOxxOUf8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SKdJTYi32BI Now and then, old agencies with resource and initiative, or new agencies, both add new orphanages and provinces to their list (as the Vietnamese government becomes more familiar with the administration of the program).

If you Google often and inform often about old and new agencies’ news, you’ll be able to get in at the right time and get short referral wait as people did in 2006.

PS: You often see hundreds of toddlers in orphanages but orphanages do have to take care of a few abandoned infants all the time.

PS: Amazing videos:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XaPCOxxOUf8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SKdJTYi32BI

]]> By: Heidi http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-70 Heidi Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:36:17 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-70 I just found this site after a year of waiting! (Not to mention an additional year of waiting for China before we started our Vietnam adoption, and a year of infertility.... But I digress). What's frustrating to me is that we started this process before the huge influx of so many more families but now we seem to be "competing" with them for children. Meaning: my dossier was done and in Vietnam before all the people who learned about the China rules and decided to switch. But many of them who sent dossiers in this winter (Feb and later) but who are with quicker agencies may be traveling before those of us whose dossiers have been in country since November/December. So frustrating! I just found this site after a year of waiting! (Not to mention an additional year of waiting for China before we started our Vietnam adoption, and a year of infertility…. But I digress). What’s frustrating to me is that we started this process before the huge influx of so many more families but now we seem to be “competing” with them for children. Meaning: my dossier was done and in Vietnam before all the people who learned about the China rules and decided to switch. But many of them who sent dossiers in this winter (Feb and later) but who are with quicker agencies may be traveling before those of us whose dossiers have been in country since November/December. So frustrating!

]]> By: Rachel http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-69 Rachel Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:34:54 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-69 I have to agree with previous commenters and say that I believe a lot of the long referral waits are due to the enormous amount of new families in the program. There are probably a similar amount of referrals coming in but the program has swelled so much that parents are now facing long waiting lists. Of course there will always be variations...obviously the very large agencies with 100+ people waiting for referrals are going to have long waits. Compare that with our agency, who this spring only had about 13 families waiting for referrals (yet infant girl referrals are nearing a 1 year wait) and there will be big discrepancies. Of course quick infant girl referrals are certainly something to raise an eyebrow to. Especially when they come from the same agencies, same provinces...over and over again. In my book that is not a normal variation of referrals. Why do some agencies & provinces have refer just a few infant girls a year and other are referring them left and right? If someone says it has to do with the provinces simply having more infant girls...well yes I would agree but that's not much of an explanation. Why the endless amount of baby girls? That is the question that would need to be asked. I have to agree with previous commenters and say that I believe a lot of the long referral waits are due to the enormous amount of new families in the program. There are probably a similar amount of referrals coming in but the program has swelled so much that parents are now facing long waiting lists. Of course there will always be variations…obviously the very large agencies with 100+ people waiting for referrals are going to have long waits. Compare that with our agency, who this spring only had about 13 families waiting for referrals (yet infant girl referrals are nearing a 1 year wait) and there will be big discrepancies.

Of course quick infant girl referrals are certainly something to raise an eyebrow to. Especially when they come from the same agencies, same provinces…over and over again. In my book that is not a normal variation of referrals. Why do some agencies & provinces have refer just a few infant girls a year and other are referring them left and right? If someone says it has to do with the provinces simply having more infant girls…well yes I would agree but that’s not much of an explanation. Why the endless amount of baby girls? That is the question that would need to be asked.

]]> By: Christina http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-67 Christina Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:55:02 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-67 Really good point Tracy! Thanks for pointing that out... we get so focused on American adoptions sometimes we forget there are a number of other countries adopting from Vietnam. Really good point Tracy! Thanks for pointing that out… we get so focused on American adoptions sometimes we forget there are a number of other countries adopting from Vietnam.

]]> By: S. http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-66 S. Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:52:27 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/06/19/making-sense-of-referral-waits/#comment-66 Ok, but what I really want to know is, when is my referral coming? KIDDING! I totally would have waited for a referral with my first agency, who I am convinced is absolutely dedicated to finding families for children and not vice versa. I was incredibly fortunate to have the chance to be number 1 on the list with an agency I believe is equally ethical. No adoptions have taken place yet in that province (at least with U.S. agencies) so it remains very unpredictable what the timeline will be. Ok, but what I really want to know is, when is my referral coming? KIDDING!
I totally would have waited for a referral with my first agency, who I am convinced is absolutely dedicated to finding families for children and not vice versa. I was incredibly fortunate to have the chance to be number 1 on the list with an agency I believe is equally ethical. No adoptions have taken place yet in that province (at least with U.S. agencies) so it remains very unpredictable what the timeline will be.

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