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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/07/10/slapp-threats-other-agency-bullying-tactics/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gwen - please know when you are doing your research that you, by no means, need to focus your search for an agency only on the state of Florida. Agencies are allowed to work out of state and it is often preferable to find  a good solid, ethical agency out of state than a local but possibly unethical agency. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any agencies I would personally recommend in Florida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gwen - please know when you are doing your research that you, by no means, need to focus your search for an agency only on the state of Florida. Agencies are allowed to work out of state and it is often preferable to find  a good solid, ethical agency out of state than a local but possibly unethical agency. Off the top of my head, I can&#8217;t think of any agencies I would personally recommend in Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm starting my research now. I live in Florida. I really need to know what agenices are having difficulty and which in Florida are good. Help me please. Email me with any info you can spare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m starting my research now. I live in Florida. I really need to know what agenices are having difficulty and which in Florida are good. Help me please. Email me with any info you can spare.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/07/10/slapp-threats-other-agency-bullying-tactics/#comment-158</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the pressure. I work in VN and just noticed that a new law just came down the pipline: under the Ministry of Finance - Decision 67/2007/QD-BTC of Aug. 1, 2007. 'Guidelines for collecting, paying, managing and using charges required in adopting a child.' [Guidelines are usually rather specific and actually say something.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the pressure. I work in VN and just noticed that a new law just came down the pipline: under the Ministry of Finance - Decision 67/2007/QD-BTC of Aug. 1, 2007. &#8216;Guidelines for collecting, paying, managing and using charges required in adopting a child.&#8217; [Guidelines are usually rather specific and actually say something.]</p>
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		<title>By: ellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalia,
Where can we find the list of agencies &#38; number of referrals? I have never seen it and would like to, just out of curiousity. 
Thanks, Ellen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalia,<br />
Where can we find the list of agencies &amp; number of referrals? I have never seen it and would like to, just out of curiousity.<br />
Thanks, Ellen</p>
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		<title>By: Voices for Vietnam Adoption Integrity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who Really Has The Power?</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/07/10/slapp-threats-other-agency-bullying-tactics/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Voices for Vietnam Adoption Integrity &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Who Really Has The Power?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 06:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it&#8217;s true, as a few commenters suggested in Nicki&#8217;s last post, that in fact many agencies do not seek transparency and the corrupt ones do not have any incentive [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s true, as a few commenters suggested in Nicki&#8217;s last post, that in fact many agencies do not seek transparency and the corrupt ones do not have any incentive [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/07/10/slapp-threats-other-agency-bullying-tactics/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicki writes:
"Even in programs, like Vietnam, where transparency is the goal but is still a long way away..."
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I personally do not believe that transparency is the goal in Vietnam adoptions.  If transparency of VN adoptions was a goal of the US Government, certainly VN publication of a fee schedule in accordance with the US/VN adoption agreement would have been insisted upon by now by the United States.  Transparency is certainly not a goal of US adoption agencies for obvious reasons.  Transparency also does not seem to be a goal of Vietnam.  For example, can anyone say how much the fee is for a US agency to become licensed by VN?  Perhaps transparency is a goal of some adoptive parents, but too many of them look the other way.  How many adoptive parents are refusing to adopt until a uniform fee schedule is published?  It should not be that hard to have transparency if it really was a goal.  But I am afraid it really is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicki writes:<br />
&#8220;Even in programs, like Vietnam, where transparency is the goal but is still a long way away&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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I personally do not believe that transparency is the goal in Vietnam adoptions.  If transparency of VN adoptions was a goal of the US Government, certainly VN publication of a fee schedule in accordance with the US/VN adoption agreement would have been insisted upon by now by the United States.  Transparency is certainly not a goal of US adoption agencies for obvious reasons.  Transparency also does not seem to be a goal of Vietnam.  For example, can anyone say how much the fee is for a US agency to become licensed by VN?  Perhaps transparency is a goal of some adoptive parents, but too many of them look the other way.  How many adoptive parents are refusing to adopt until a uniform fee schedule is published?  It should not be that hard to have transparency if it really was a goal.  But I am afraid it really is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the excellent post.  I agree that there is power in numbers and community, and collectively we can spread the word about agencies who use these tactics.   There are, much to my chagrin, far more of them than I ever knew.

But I don't know if I share your optimism that corrupt agencies will not be tolerated.  The Achilles heel seems to be the number of potential parents who will use these agencies anyway -- because they are the ones promising quick referrals in the over-heated, under-regulated Vietnam adoption market.  Proof of corruption is rarely unequivocal: you rarely see the smoking gun.  It has to be drawn from inference, and many people who, like myself, desperately want Vietnamese children will simply not draw the inference if they don't have to.  They are willfully ignorant, and it doesn't take a terribly strong will.  They hide quickly behind facially plausible excuses given by their agencies (who have an enormous financial incentive, even the most fabulous of them, to lie or themselves stay ignorant): my agency is the only one working in that province, so that's why they have all these baby girls; my agency works in several provinces, so that's why they have all these baby girls; my facilitator knows the system well; my agency just started, so they have no backlog; I just got lucky.   Information that casts doubt on these explanations is hard to find.  Has anyone seen the breakdown--and it exists--of which agencies licensed are actually getting referrals -- and how thoroughly and completely lopsided it is in favor of certain agencies?   Have we really collected the information on who requires cash payments -- and MANY do -- and where they are going, or do we just know it's happening?   Other information, though, is not so hard to find: one look at the structure of Vietnamese adoptions -- agencies pay an orphanage via "humanitarian aid", and the same orphanage rustles up a healthy infant  -- and you know there is an enormous opportunity for money to change hands.

My only hope was that the US embassy would be screening people very, very carefully, and parents who proceed with risky agencies face the risk that their adoption is not approved.  But that is a very blunt tool, and can trap legitimate adoptions as well as suspect ones, as we all saw in Cambodia.  
 
I, myself, am very slowly starting to think that I may not be able to find a program that is ethically sound and that can still complete adoptions within the next 18 months or so.  It has caused me enormous agony, as I have had my heart set on this, but had no idea what a flawed system Vietnam and the US had set up.  I haven't given up hope, but the options right now are very slim.  

But maybe I have come full circle, and you are right.  It is ONLY because of what I have read on the internet about others' experiences and wisdom that I have known to proceed so carefully.  If everyone just kept saying, "do your homework," but never actually named names -- even just to say, "I would not trust x, y, and z" -- then there would be no information to be had except for one or two agencies involved in public litigation.   We all DO need to keep sharing information with one another, and I sincerely thank all of you who have educated me so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the excellent post.  I agree that there is power in numbers and community, and collectively we can spread the word about agencies who use these tactics.   There are, much to my chagrin, far more of them than I ever knew.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t know if I share your optimism that corrupt agencies will not be tolerated.  The Achilles heel seems to be the number of potential parents who will use these agencies anyway &#8212; because they are the ones promising quick referrals in the over-heated, under-regulated Vietnam adoption market.  Proof of corruption is rarely unequivocal: you rarely see the smoking gun.  It has to be drawn from inference, and many people who, like myself, desperately want Vietnamese children will simply not draw the inference if they don&#8217;t have to.  They are willfully ignorant, and it doesn&#8217;t take a terribly strong will.  They hide quickly behind facially plausible excuses given by their agencies (who have an enormous financial incentive, even the most fabulous of them, to lie or themselves stay ignorant): my agency is the only one working in that province, so that&#8217;s why they have all these baby girls; my agency works in several provinces, so that&#8217;s why they have all these baby girls; my facilitator knows the system well; my agency just started, so they have no backlog; I just got lucky.   Information that casts doubt on these explanations is hard to find.  Has anyone seen the breakdown&#8211;and it exists&#8211;of which agencies licensed are actually getting referrals &#8212; and how thoroughly and completely lopsided it is in favor of certain agencies?   Have we really collected the information on who requires cash payments &#8212; and MANY do &#8212; and where they are going, or do we just know it&#8217;s happening?   Other information, though, is not so hard to find: one look at the structure of Vietnamese adoptions &#8212; agencies pay an orphanage via &#8220;humanitarian aid&#8221;, and the same orphanage rustles up a healthy infant  &#8212; and you know there is an enormous opportunity for money to change hands.</p>
<p>My only hope was that the US embassy would be screening people very, very carefully, and parents who proceed with risky agencies face the risk that their adoption is not approved.  But that is a very blunt tool, and can trap legitimate adoptions as well as suspect ones, as we all saw in Cambodia.  </p>
<p>I, myself, am very slowly starting to think that I may not be able to find a program that is ethically sound and that can still complete adoptions within the next 18 months or so.  It has caused me enormous agony, as I have had my heart set on this, but had no idea what a flawed system Vietnam and the US had set up.  I haven&#8217;t given up hope, but the options right now are very slim.  </p>
<p>But maybe I have come full circle, and you are right.  It is ONLY because of what I have read on the internet about others&#8217; experiences and wisdom that I have known to proceed so carefully.  If everyone just kept saying, &#8220;do your homework,&#8221; but never actually named names &#8212; even just to say, &#8220;I would not trust x, y, and z&#8221; &#8212; then there would be no information to be had except for one or two agencies involved in public litigation.   We all DO need to keep sharing information with one another, and I sincerely thank all of you who have educated me so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Nicki! It still shocks me to hear of situations like this, and know that it could have possibly been prevented :( Parents need to protect themselves by doing their research before signing on with any agency. That poor family :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Nicki! It still shocks me to hear of situations like this, and know that it could have possibly been prevented <img src='http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> Parents need to protect themselves by doing their research before signing on with any agency. That poor family <img src='http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Carrie West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carrie West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm very interested in the case you are referring to, as I too am a defendant in a defamation case that has been ongoing for the past three years, and it seems that the facts in our case mirror those you have reported on here. However, our case has not been settled. 

I am unaware of additional cases in the Florida courts that revolve around Vietnam adoptions, and specifically, claims stemming from public posts on adoption support lists. I assume that you have spoken directly with all defendant in the case that you refer to in your writing, or that you have acquired documentation directly from the courts.  

Either way, I would appreciate any information you could provide (CASE#) as these finding are relevant to the case that we continue to battle.

Best,
Carrie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very interested in the case you are referring to, as I too am a defendant in a defamation case that has been ongoing for the past three years, and it seems that the facts in our case mirror those you have reported on here. However, our case has not been settled. </p>
<p>I am unaware of additional cases in the Florida courts that revolve around Vietnam adoptions, and specifically, claims stemming from public posts on adoption support lists. I assume that you have spoken directly with all defendant in the case that you refer to in your writing, or that you have acquired documentation directly from the courts.  </p>
<p>Either way, I would appreciate any information you could provide (CASE#) as these finding are relevant to the case that we continue to battle.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Carrie</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely great post! it is so crazy to me that people do not feel like they can talk openly about their completed or in-process adoptions for fear of retaliation. hopefully, at some fuzzy point in the future, that fear will be a thing of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely great post! it is so crazy to me that people do not feel like they can talk openly about their completed or in-process adoptions for fear of retaliation. hopefully, at some fuzzy point in the future, that fear will be a thing of the past.</p>
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