Comments on: Embassy Statement On Recent NOIDS

By: Emma

Emma — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:12:12 +0000

Thanks Nicki and …. God!!!!!!!!!!

By: Nicki

Nicki — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:38:41 +0000

Emma - the agency this family is using for their current adoption is *not* Holt. I just wanted to set the record straight on that right away.

By: Emma

Emma — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:53:50 +0000

Here is a call for needed prayers:
http://www.holtintl.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=666824&highlight=#666824
I wonder very much if a ‘golden standard’ agency may receive a NOID…
Thus my questions are:
- ‘Is there any deep implication of recent NOIDs explosion?’
- ‘Why now, recently NOIDs did broke-out? Not since 2005 or 2006 when US Embassy has found the significant increasing of abandoned children in some provinces?’
- ‘If US Embassy needs supports from families for new I-600 process, is there any other better way than NOID which caused APs’ and PAPs’ deep grief?’
Anyone can tell me why????

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Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:45:00 +0000

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By: Tracy

Tracy — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:02:12 +0000

Alix,

This is a difficult time in Vietnam adoptions and I can’t imagine how PAPs are feeling right now. I just wanted to say to go with your gut on your agency. I just wrote this to someone else, but you have the same information as everyone out here. EVERYONE is getting their information from the Yahoo groups and blogs, people are just interpreting it differently. Don’t rely on anyone else making this decision for you (you obviously have read and researched or you wouldn’t be here). If you feel your agency has potential ethical or legal issues then leave them, but make that decision for yourself please because you are the one that is paying for this adoption and you are the one that has to live with your decision. I have no idea which agency you are with and I’m not saying ignore the red flags, but there is a lot of misinformation out there right now and don’t let other peoples interpretations of the information sway you. Read the sites and try to see what they are saying for yourself. In the end you will do the right thing, if you were only worried about getting through the fastest way possible you would not be asking these questions.

That won’t the popular answer and it’s only my opinion, take it for what it’s worth and I hope you are able to make a decision that you and your family is happy with.

Tracy

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the one where I freak out about adoption « Cheers Ya’ll! — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:27:17 +0000

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By: Alix

Alix — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:26:06 +0000

This current troublesome situation has caused me to seriously consider switching agencies. I cannot take the heartache and spend the next several months wondering if my agency is part of ongoing corruption. My dossier is already in Vietnam. I need help and advice, and I apologize if this is not the right place to ask for it, but I don’t know where else to turn. My email addy is alixromanov@yahoo.com.

By: Nicki

Nicki — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:28:14 +0000

Ginger - I read the blog this morning. This is not unlike what is written in the Embassy statement. If the Vnese government does not step up and meet the terms of the bilateral agreement, the US government should not renew. I hope that our government will hold them accountable. And most of all I hope that VN will stand up and make the changes they promised in 2005. The bilateral agreement was created specifically to address issues of integrity in adoptions. If the agreement is not upheld in Vietnam, these issues were not and will not be resolved.

Was the issue with this public board something that was mentioned on a blog? If their own names were on this board and, as we know, they have not yet been issued a NOID, then perhaps like I originally said it is just a number of cases being investigated. I would not be at all surprised if there were 20 cases being investigated at this time. 20 NOIDs, though, is a serious allegation.

By: Tracy

Tracy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:26:18 +0000

This is really just horrible and I hope there aren’t really 20 NOIDs out there. If your agency is honest, I would think they would have to (or at least want to-I personally think it’s your right to know as a client) tell you if they have anyone currently held up in the country with a NOID or a threat of a NOID. Can EVERYONE (not just those that are with the “bad” agencies) call their agency and ask if any of their families now in Vietnam are being delayed, investigated for a NOID or have recieved a NOID as of right now. You could also ask how long the most current group has been in the country (which would give you an idea if there are hold-ups) and maybe even the group that just got home- and then post back here? I don’t have an agency since my adoptions are complete. If everyone were honest (even if you hear back something from your “ethical” agency) it would give everyone a clearer picture of what is going on in the country. This may not be an agency acting illegally, immorally or unethically. It may be a province issue, an orphanage issue or the US Embassy wanting to take time to ENSURE everything is being done correctly. Let’s not convict and hang the agencies yet, especially not if it’s true and there are 20 NOIDs in the process. Maybe someone could keep a list of the responses and post it somewhere?

Tracy

By: Ginger

Ginger — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:44:10 +0000

Nicki,

What the blog says is that the bilateral agreement between the US and Vietnam is up for renewal in 2008. The ageement does expire in June 2008 and is scheduled to begin discussions for renewal in March 2008. Then the blogger goes on to state that it is her personal opinion that the the bilateral opinion may not be renewed. She clearly says that it is her personal opinion, not anyone elses.

When these families went to the embassy, they all saw a board with familiy names and provinces for NOIDs that had been issued or cases that were under review. This was a public board, anyone in this room at the embassy could see it. It may be where she got the number 20 from, I don’t know.