Comments on: The JCICS Summit http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/ A collaborative blog advocating ethics in adoption Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:06:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Isabell http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-869 Isabell Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:22:14 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-869 Adoptions International was there !! Adoptions International was there !!

]]> By: Jeana http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-841 Jeana Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:41:04 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-841 I would be very interested to know this as well. Please let me know if you find out. My husband and I are waiting for a referral from Vietnam, and I have only recently become aware that I need to be very diligent to make sure things are above board. I want to be ethical and I'm a little overwhelmed about how to go about checking out my agency--especially since we are this far into our adoption. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best regards. I would be very interested to know this as well. Please let me know if you find out. My husband and I are waiting for a referral from Vietnam, and I have only recently become aware that I need to be very diligent to make sure things are above board. I want to be ethical and I’m a little overwhelmed about how to go about checking out my agency–especially since we are this far into our adoption. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Best regards.

]]> By: Tracy http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-821 Tracy Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:05 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-821 The MOU is a Vietnamese requirement, not a US one at this time. I don't know if they would accept the Hague instead of the MOU, but I don't think the US gets to decide that, the Vietnamese do. Tracy The MOU is a Vietnamese requirement, not a US one at this time. I don’t know if they would accept the Hague instead of the MOU, but I don’t think the US gets to decide that, the Vietnamese do.

Tracy

]]> By: Christine http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-820 Christine Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:08:43 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-820 Are those fee schedules for Ireland, France, Italy and Denmark availbable online anywhere? Are those fee schedules for Ireland, France, Italy and Denmark availbable online anywhere?

]]> By: Michelle http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-819 Michelle Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:27:58 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-819 Really? They published a fee schedule for other countries but not the US - I did not know that. Interesting and confusing indeed. Really? They published a fee schedule for other countries but not the US - I did not know that. Interesting and confusing indeed.

]]> By: Brendan O'Donoghue http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-818 Brendan O'Donoghue Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:59:32 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-818 I have been studying Hague for the last month, has anyone else being reading up on the subject. I am not so sure that there is the need for a MOU, I think that Hague will become the MOU. I have read up on the section on bi-lateral agreements, it states that an agreement is adviseable but not legally necessary. I think there are a number of legal loopholes where the US could continue to have an adoption agreement with Vietnam. I do not know why the Vietnamese have not published an official fee structure for US adoptions, they had no problem publishing it for Ireland, France, Italy, Denmark. Brendan I have been studying Hague for the last month, has anyone else being reading up on the subject. I am not so sure that there is the need for a MOU, I think that Hague will become the MOU. I have read up on the section on bi-lateral agreements, it states that an agreement is adviseable but not legally necessary. I think there are a number of legal loopholes where the US could continue to have an adoption agreement with Vietnam.

I do not know why the Vietnamese have not published an official fee structure for US adoptions, they had no problem publishing it for Ireland, France, Italy, Denmark.

Brendan

]]> By: Tracy http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-810 Tracy Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:43:32 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-810 I also e-mailed several government offices about the MOU (one wrote me back but didn't want his name/office used since he didn't get permission to make an "official' statement-I HATED posting something without a name attached, but I didn't want to hold anything back either). Anway, I thought it was really interesting that Vietnam is the one that requires the MOU and he said they didn't really know what will happen if it's not renewed since it's not a US requirement. I would love to hear any information you find out on the Vietnam side. Tracy I also e-mailed several government offices about the MOU (one wrote me back but didn’t want his name/office used since he didn’t get permission to make an “official’ statement-I HATED posting something without a name attached, but I didn’t want to hold anything back either). Anway, I thought it was really interesting that Vietnam is the one that requires the MOU and he said they didn’t really know what will happen if it’s not renewed since it’s not a US requirement. I would love to hear any information you find out on the Vietnam side.

Tracy

]]> By: Michelle http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-809 Michelle Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:00:12 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-809 Hi Tracy: I agree with you. I wouldn't want to call the DIA but it sure would be great to get their viewpoint. I just would not know how to go about doing that I guess. I did email Tad from adoption buzz to see if he had any insight. He has a lot of solid connections in VN. I haven't heard back yet but I'm hoping he will post something soon about the MOU or anything else thing else he has heard from VN officials. Also, It is sort of upsetting that the USCIS is not issueing any updates on the MOU discussions. If it has to be updated by March 1st. I imagine they have some sense of how things are going and in what direction they are moving in. I emailed them 3 times about this and never heard back - frustrating. Hi Tracy: I agree with you. I wouldn’t want to call the DIA but it sure would be great to get their viewpoint. I just would not know how to go about doing that I guess. I did email Tad from adoption buzz to see if he had any insight. He has a lot of solid connections in VN. I haven’t heard back yet but I’m hoping he will post something soon about the MOU or anything else thing else he has heard from VN officials.

Also, It is sort of upsetting that the USCIS is not issueing any updates on the MOU discussions. If it has to be updated by March 1st. I imagine they have some sense of how things are going and in what direction they are moving in. I emailed them 3 times about this and never heard back - frustrating.

]]> By: Tracy http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-803 Tracy Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:03:39 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-803 I agree it's not a good idea to call the DIA, but I don't think it would be a bad idea to get their side of all of this. Out of everyone that was invited to the Summitt meeting, I think it's odd that the Vietnamese officials were not included (as far as we know, I would think the JCICS would have noted if they had been invited and failed to show up). The US Embassy, government and agencies all have their stories represented in one way or another (through statements, blogs, etc), but for all we know the Vietnamese would like the adoptive community to hear their side of this story. Anyway, I personally would LOVE to see a statement from them. Tracy (www.anti-rumorqueen.blogspot.com) I agree it’s not a good idea to call the DIA, but I don’t think it would be a bad idea to get their side of all of this. Out of everyone that was invited to the Summitt meeting, I think it’s odd that the Vietnamese officials were not included (as far as we know, I would think the JCICS would have noted if they had been invited and failed to show up). The US Embassy, government and agencies all have their stories represented in one way or another (through statements, blogs, etc), but for all we know the Vietnamese would like the adoptive community to hear their side of this story. Anyway, I personally would LOVE to see a statement from them.

Tracy
(www.anti-rumorqueen.blogspot.com)

]]> By: Christina http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-802 Christina Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:43:19 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2007/12/04/the-jcics-summit/#comment-802 I really wouldn't suggest calling DIA officials... I think that could get misconstrued and I would worry that we might inadvertantly offend them or cause problems that could impact the whole program. I just really don't think it's proper for us to be contacting VN officials ourselves. I really wouldn’t suggest calling DIA officials… I think that could get misconstrued and I would worry that we might inadvertantly offend them or cause problems that could impact the whole program. I just really don’t think it’s proper for us to be contacting VN officials ourselves.

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