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		<title>By: Ros Marie Battisti</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/02/20/vietnam-baby-trafficking-in-the-news/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>Ros Marie Battisti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I followed up on the article link posted by Amy about a ring of human smugglers in Sweden involving adults and children from Viet Nam. The trial started today. I am posting the link to today's article. I want to stress that although this whole subject is distubing this does not involve families being paid for children in VN to be taken to Sweden for adoption but "Others also brought over children they claimed were their own but who were in fact children whose parents had paid large sums of money for them to be brought to Sweden in search of a better life." The rest appears to involve marriage fraud.
Here is the link : http://www.thelocal.se/10266/20080304/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I followed up on the article link posted by Amy about a ring of human smugglers in Sweden involving adults and children from Viet Nam. The trial started today. I am posting the link to today&#8217;s article. I want to stress that although this whole subject is distubing this does not involve families being paid for children in VN to be taken to Sweden for adoption but &#8220;Others also brought over children they claimed were their own but who were in fact children whose parents had paid large sums of money for them to be brought to Sweden in search of a better life.&#8221; The rest appears to involve marriage fraud.<br />
Here is the link : <a href="http://www.thelocal.se/10266/20080304/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelocal.se/10266/20080304/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/02/20/vietnam-baby-trafficking-in-the-news/#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't seen much talk about this and was wondering if anyone else has seen it?

http://www.thelocal.se/9847/20080201/

"A major child smuggling ring is suspected of bringing dozens of children from Vietnam to Sweden, prosecutors say."

At first I was surprised to see this happened in Sweden. But then again, I shouldn't really be surprised at anything, anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t seen much talk about this and was wondering if anyone else has seen it?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thelocal.se/9847/20080201/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelocal.se/9847/20080201/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;A major child smuggling ring is suspected of bringing dozens of children from Vietnam to Sweden, prosecutors say.&#8221;</p>
<p>At first I was surprised to see this happened in Sweden. But then again, I shouldn&#8217;t really be surprised at anything, anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: vietnamadopter</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/02/20/vietnam-baby-trafficking-in-the-news/#comment-1334</link>
		<dc:creator>vietnamadopter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. The first thing I thought when I read this was that hopefully this will jump start the CIS into finalizing the rest of the applications they seem to be sitting on. They busted the ring, made some arrests. Now lets get these babies that are already committed to loving homes INTO those homes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The first thing I thought when I read this was that hopefully this will jump start the CIS into finalizing the rest of the applications they seem to be sitting on. They busted the ring, made some arrests. Now lets get these babies that are already committed to loving homes INTO those homes.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/02/20/vietnam-baby-trafficking-in-the-news/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have adopted daughters from China and Vietnam so I try to keep up with what is going on in both countries.  With all of the recent mess in Vietnam I have been intrigued with a blog by a father with 3 adopted Chinese daughters who does research in China for adoptive families.  His name is Brian Stuy and he has been reporting of corruption in Chinese adoptions for some time.

Brian says that domestic adoptions in China is on the rise because of the rise of incomes.  However, domestic adoptions are in competition with international adoptions which often bring the orphanages more money. (The orphanages receive a $3000 Orphanage "donation" fee with each international adoption.)  Because many orphanages would rather send the children to be adopted internationally, there is a shortage of children available for domestic adoption.  So many of the baby trafficking reports you hear about in China are actually for domestic adoption.  Boys are definitely more coveted there so the higher price for the male infants in the article leads me to believe that at  least some of these babies were going to China for domestic adoption.

I am including the link to Brian Stuy's blog so you can see the articles.
http://research-china.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have adopted daughters from China and Vietnam so I try to keep up with what is going on in both countries.  With all of the recent mess in Vietnam I have been intrigued with a blog by a father with 3 adopted Chinese daughters who does research in China for adoptive families.  His name is Brian Stuy and he has been reporting of corruption in Chinese adoptions for some time.</p>
<p>Brian says that domestic adoptions in China is on the rise because of the rise of incomes.  However, domestic adoptions are in competition with international adoptions which often bring the orphanages more money. (The orphanages receive a $3000 Orphanage &#8220;donation&#8221; fee with each international adoption.)  Because many orphanages would rather send the children to be adopted internationally, there is a shortage of children available for domestic adoption.  So many of the baby trafficking reports you hear about in China are actually for domestic adoption.  Boys are definitely more coveted there so the higher price for the male infants in the article leads me to believe that at  least some of these babies were going to China for domestic adoption.</p>
<p>I am including the link to Brian Stuy&#8217;s blog so you can see the articles.<br />
<a href="http://research-china.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://research-china.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: shad</title>
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		<dc:creator>shad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if I'm causing confused looks and question marks.  My point is that by changing a word from "price" to "fees" or "purchased and traded" to "adopted" the entire context of the article changes.  Likewise, if you changed the words on any US adoption agency's website in a similar manner, they'd sound a lot more like the vietnamese "baby broker" featured in the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I&#8217;m causing confused looks and question marks.  My point is that by changing a word from &#8220;price&#8221; to &#8220;fees&#8221; or &#8220;purchased and traded&#8221; to &#8220;adopted&#8221; the entire context of the article changes.  Likewise, if you changed the words on any US adoption agency&#8217;s website in a similar manner, they&#8217;d sound a lot more like the vietnamese &#8220;baby broker&#8221; featured in the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shad-
Is your point to say how *gray* the adoption world is?
Otherwise I am not sure what point you are trying to make...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shad-<br />
Is your point to say how *gray* the adoption world is?<br />
Otherwise I am not sure what point you are trying to make&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shad Griffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shad Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading through this article and it occurred to me how powerful the words surrounding adoption are.  I took the beginning of the article and changed a word here or there.  Notice how it completely changes it.  
Adoption is so complicated.  It is distinctly gray.  Few issues are black and white.  I’ve noticed that there is a bunch of controversy on this board and similar ones on the intranet.  I’m really not trying to take sides, and I hope it doesn’t come off that way.  I’m just trying to point out how truly complicated international adoption is.  I also want to point out the power of the language we use to describe adoption.  The motivations for having biological children are also very complicated. Most Bio parents, however, never really have to delve into those motivations. Having biological children is just something you do, not really think about.   As adoptive parents looking to adopt in Vietnam, we can’t afford to not deal with our motivations to adopt.  
The original quote is enclosed by **.  My quote is directly below each direct quote.
Shad…



**According to a investigation conducted by Thanh Nien reporters, Nguyen Thi Thuyen, who lives in Ung Hoa District’s Vien An Village of Ha Tay Province, has been manipulating and luring countless youngsters for nearly 14 years to not commit abortions and instead give birth to prized “human goods” to be purchased and traded widely.**
According to research by Thanh Nien reporters, An Adoption Agency, who operates in Ung Hoa District’s Vien An Village of Ha Tay Province, have been recruiting countless youngsters for nearly 14 years to not commit abortions and instead give birth, so their children can be adopted by loving families.  

**“I’ll send your girlfriend to a place in Ha Dong City,” Thuyen told Thanh Nien reporters, who approached Thuyen as a couple wanting to put their newborn up for sale.**
“I’ll send your girlfriend to a pregnancy center in Ha Dong City,” An agency told Thanh Nien reporters, who approached the agency as a couple wanting to place their unborn child for adoption.

**“Don’t worry. I’ll loan you about VND500,000 to VND600,000 every month until the girl gives birth and I’ll even take her to the hospital myself.”**
“Don’t worry. We’ll give you about VND500,000 to VND600,000 every month to cover expenses until the girl gives birth and I’ll even take her to the hospital myself.”

**Thuyen said the baby could be secretly sold to a Hanoi couple, as the husband became infertile after an accident.**
An agency representative said the baby could be privately adopted by a Hanoi couple, as the husband became infertile after an accident.

**“Since this couple cannot let their relatives know, when your girlfriend is about to give labor, I will set up the lawyer’s wife to stay next to her in the hospital. Your girlfriend must leave in secret upon giving birth so that this family can officially prepare paperwork for the baby,” Thuyen explained.**
“Since this couple lives on the 1000 miles away,  when your girlfriend goes into labor I will have a nurse stay with her in the hospital. Your girlfriend can sign the adoption papers upon giving birth so that this couple can formally adopt the baby,” An agency explained.

**According to Thanh Nien sources, this network maintains five to six baby suppliers in the village of Vien An.**
According to Thanh Nien sources, this network maintains five counseling centers in the village of Vien An.

**A female baby is usually purchased at around VND8 million while a male one is worth VND10 million.**
The expenses incurred by agencies for a normal pregnancy are around VND8 million while a pregnancy with complications is about VND10 million.
**Thuyen then resells the infant to another family, at a price of between VND20 million and VND25 million.**
Agencies charge adoptive families between VND20 million and VND25 million to adopt a child.

**To boost the babies’ prices, Thuyen even advertises the infants’ real parents to the buyers, especially if the parents are educated and considered to be “good looking.” She moreover owns at least five residences located across Ha Tay Province where she houses over 10 young pregnant women.**
Adopting privately through an attorney is the usually the most expensive type of adoption.  Adopting through a state agency is very inexpensive.  In fact, many states provide subsidies to parents adopting special needs children in state custody.  The agency we spoke with has five pregnancy centers located across Ha Tay Province where they house over 10 young pregnant women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading through this article and it occurred to me how powerful the words surrounding adoption are.  I took the beginning of the article and changed a word here or there.  Notice how it completely changes it.<br />
Adoption is so complicated.  It is distinctly gray.  Few issues are black and white.  I’ve noticed that there is a bunch of controversy on this board and similar ones on the intranet.  I’m really not trying to take sides, and I hope it doesn’t come off that way.  I’m just trying to point out how truly complicated international adoption is.  I also want to point out the power of the language we use to describe adoption.  The motivations for having biological children are also very complicated. Most Bio parents, however, never really have to delve into those motivations. Having biological children is just something you do, not really think about.   As adoptive parents looking to adopt in Vietnam, we can’t afford to not deal with our motivations to adopt.<br />
The original quote is enclosed by **.  My quote is directly below each direct quote.<br />
Shad…</p>
<p>**According to a investigation conducted by Thanh Nien reporters, Nguyen Thi Thuyen, who lives in Ung Hoa District’s Vien An Village of Ha Tay Province, has been manipulating and luring countless youngsters for nearly 14 years to not commit abortions and instead give birth to prized “human goods” to be purchased and traded widely.**<br />
According to research by Thanh Nien reporters, An Adoption Agency, who operates in Ung Hoa District’s Vien An Village of Ha Tay Province, have been recruiting countless youngsters for nearly 14 years to not commit abortions and instead give birth, so their children can be adopted by loving families.  </p>
<p>**“I’ll send your girlfriend to a place in Ha Dong City,” Thuyen told Thanh Nien reporters, who approached Thuyen as a couple wanting to put their newborn up for sale.**<br />
“I’ll send your girlfriend to a pregnancy center in Ha Dong City,” An agency told Thanh Nien reporters, who approached the agency as a couple wanting to place their unborn child for adoption.</p>
<p>**“Don’t worry. I’ll loan you about VND500,000 to VND600,000 every month until the girl gives birth and I’ll even take her to the hospital myself.”**<br />
“Don’t worry. We’ll give you about VND500,000 to VND600,000 every month to cover expenses until the girl gives birth and I’ll even take her to the hospital myself.”</p>
<p>**Thuyen said the baby could be secretly sold to a Hanoi couple, as the husband became infertile after an accident.**<br />
An agency representative said the baby could be privately adopted by a Hanoi couple, as the husband became infertile after an accident.</p>
<p>**“Since this couple cannot let their relatives know, when your girlfriend is about to give labor, I will set up the lawyer’s wife to stay next to her in the hospital. Your girlfriend must leave in secret upon giving birth so that this family can officially prepare paperwork for the baby,” Thuyen explained.**<br />
“Since this couple lives on the 1000 miles away,  when your girlfriend goes into labor I will have a nurse stay with her in the hospital. Your girlfriend can sign the adoption papers upon giving birth so that this couple can formally adopt the baby,” An agency explained.</p>
<p>**According to Thanh Nien sources, this network maintains five to six baby suppliers in the village of Vien An.**<br />
According to Thanh Nien sources, this network maintains five counseling centers in the village of Vien An.</p>
<p>**A female baby is usually purchased at around VND8 million while a male one is worth VND10 million.**<br />
The expenses incurred by agencies for a normal pregnancy are around VND8 million while a pregnancy with complications is about VND10 million.<br />
**Thuyen then resells the infant to another family, at a price of between VND20 million and VND25 million.**<br />
Agencies charge adoptive families between VND20 million and VND25 million to adopt a child.</p>
<p>**To boost the babies’ prices, Thuyen even advertises the infants’ real parents to the buyers, especially if the parents are educated and considered to be “good looking.” She moreover owns at least five residences located across Ha Tay Province where she houses over 10 young pregnant women.**<br />
Adopting privately through an attorney is the usually the most expensive type of adoption.  Adopting through a state agency is very inexpensive.  In fact, many states provide subsidies to parents adopting special needs children in state custody.  The agency we spoke with has five pregnancy centers located across Ha Tay Province where they house over 10 young pregnant women.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for voicing your opinion. I'd love to hear on a more frequent basis  from those adopting from Vietnam who reside in other countries. I'd love to hear more about your country's standards and methods for adoption in order to better compare, learn and apply them to our own (and vice versa, where necessary). Child trafficking and ethics in adoption is truly a global issue, definitely not just an American problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for voicing your opinion. I&#8217;d love to hear on a more frequent basis  from those adopting from Vietnam who reside in other countries. I&#8217;d love to hear more about your country&#8217;s standards and methods for adoption in order to better compare, learn and apply them to our own (and vice versa, where necessary). Child trafficking and ethics in adoption is truly a global issue, definitely not just an American problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my own personal experience, my ex-husband is Vietnamese and his family said that they hope for a boy for luck reasons but that they hope for a girl who will help take care of the duties of family. Maybe this is something that varies by province, religion, etc. It does seem to me that the preference for gender, therefor, should be mostly evenly distributed however I have also read the stats that Penny posted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my own personal experience, my ex-husband is Vietnamese and his family said that they hope for a boy for luck reasons but that they hope for a girl who will help take care of the duties of family. Maybe this is something that varies by province, religion, etc. It does seem to me that the preference for gender, therefor, should be mostly evenly distributed however I have also read the stats that Penny posted.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't come across any convincing evidence that Vietnam actually has a preference for boys, as China does.  I believe an equal number of males and females are relinquished/abandoned.  I've also been told by my agency (who helps facilitate domestic adoptions) that Vietnamese PAPs tend to adopt more girls than boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t come across any convincing evidence that Vietnam actually has a preference for boys, as China does.  I believe an equal number of males and females are relinquished/abandoned.  I&#8217;ve also been told by my agency (who helps facilitate domestic adoptions) that Vietnamese PAPs tend to adopt more girls than boys.</p>
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