Comments on: Two Arrested For Trafficking In Southern Vietnamese Province http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2009/11/09/two-arrested-for-trafficking-in-southern-vietnamese-province/ A collaborative blog advocating ethics in adoption Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:02:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jennife Ervin http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2009/11/09/two-arrested-for-trafficking-in-southern-vietnamese-province/comment-page-1/#comment-4031 Jennife Ervin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:41:22 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=449#comment-4031 99% of Vietnamese people in Vietnam they do not want to adopt and certainly they do not pay to adopt or buy the children. If they want to adopt they just adopt directly from the child parent/s and bring the child home and most the time they do not need to do legal paper work. Domestic adoption is very easy like you buy a chicken and raise them. Therefore, the children must be sale to international adoption. I was personally experience a monk has use the abandon children to receive donation from U.S and from people allover the world. The children are abuse many of them are sick and did not have proper care, I want to help to bring a child to the hospital to but the monk refused. The images of suffering children are always in my head and I want to rescue them but I don't know how and where to start due to Vietnam the law is not clear and the police are big corruption 99% of Vietnamese people in Vietnam they do not want to adopt and certainly they do not pay to adopt or buy the children. If they want to adopt they just adopt directly from the child parent/s and bring the child home and most the time they do not need to do legal paper work. Domestic adoption is very easy like you buy a chicken and raise them. Therefore, the children must be sale to international adoption.
I was personally experience a monk has use the abandon children to receive donation from U.S and from people allover the world. The children are abuse many of them are sick and did not have proper care, I want to help to bring a child to the hospital to but the monk refused. The images of suffering children are always in my head and I want to rescue them but I don’t know how and where to start due to Vietnam the law is not clear and the police are big corruption

]]> By: Jennife Ervin http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2009/11/09/two-arrested-for-trafficking-in-southern-vietnamese-province/comment-page-1/#comment-4030 Jennife Ervin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:40:03 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=449#comment-4030 99% of Vietnamese people in Vietnam they do not want to adopt and certainly they do not pay to adopt or buy the children. If they want to adopt they just adopt directly from the child parent/s and bring the child home and most the time they do not need to do legal paper work. Domestic adoption is very easy like you buy a chicken and raise them. Therefore, the children must be sale to international adoption. I was personally experience a monk has use the abandon children to receive donation from U.S and from people allover the world. The children are abuse many of them are sick and did not have proper care, I want to help to bring a child to the hospital to but the monk refused. The images of suffering children are always in my head and I want to rescue them but I don't know how and where to start due to Vietnam the law is not clear and the police are big corruption. I cry from time to time for those less fortune. Jennifer 99% of Vietnamese people in Vietnam they do not want to adopt and certainly they do not pay to adopt or buy the children. If they want to adopt they just adopt directly from the child parent/s and bring the child home and most the time they do not need to do legal paper work. Domestic adoption is very easy like you buy a chicken and raise them. Therefore, the children must be sale to international adoption.
I was personally experience a monk has use the abandon children to receive donation from U.S and from people allover the world. The children are abuse many of them are sick and did not have proper care, I want to help to bring a child to the hospital to but the monk refused. The images of suffering children are always in my head and I want to rescue them but I don’t know how and where to start due to Vietnam the law is not clear and the police are big corruption.
I cry from time to time for those less fortune.
Jennifer

]]> By: Christina http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2009/11/09/two-arrested-for-trafficking-in-southern-vietnamese-province/comment-page-1/#comment-3888 Christina Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:32:42 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=449#comment-3888 Hi bella Yes, I am "okay" with Holt's statement, for a few reasons... 1. They are the ONLY agency from a province where arrests have been made to be forthcoming with any kind of response. Not only that but they indicated they will continue to look into the matter. They did not pretend to have all the answers, but shared what they knew. If only other agencies responded likewise in similar situations. 2. As far as I am aware (from being a client of Holt and frequenting their listserv) there were NO infants adopted from Dong Nai through Holt. I think the youngest child was 18-24 months old. So it's unlikely that any of the trafficked babies could have been in any way connected to Holt. 3. From personal experience I can tell you that the local authorities in that province were extremely slow/methodical in processing paperwork. Most adoptions from that province took more than a year, start to finish. I have a number of theories as to why that was, but it seems very unlikely that if there were any paperwork discrepancies they would not have been found under that kind of scrutiny. 4. Holt has a rock solid reputation in adoptions worldwide. They are considered the "gold standard". It comes from their priorities (family preservation 1st, domestic adoptions 2nd, international adoption last) as well as their absolute refusal to bend rules or participate in any type of corruption, payments or favors. I would be very shocked to learn that anyone in their organization would be involved in any sort of trafficking allegations. That said, of course we will continue to report any news on this situation - as well as other adoption-related news items out of VN - as objectively as possible and allow our readers to come to their own conclusions. Hi bella
Yes, I am “okay” with Holt’s statement, for a few reasons…

1. They are the ONLY agency from a province where arrests have been made to be forthcoming with any kind of response. Not only that but they indicated they will continue to look into the matter. They did not pretend to have all the answers, but shared what they knew. If only other agencies responded likewise in similar situations.

2. As far as I am aware (from being a client of Holt and frequenting their listserv) there were NO infants adopted from Dong Nai through Holt. I think the youngest child was 18-24 months old. So it’s unlikely that any of the trafficked babies could have been in any way connected to Holt.

3. From personal experience I can tell you that the local authorities in that province were extremely slow/methodical in processing paperwork. Most adoptions from that province took more than a year, start to finish. I have a number of theories as to why that was, but it seems very unlikely that if there were any paperwork discrepancies they would not have been found under that kind of scrutiny.

4. Holt has a rock solid reputation in adoptions worldwide. They are considered the “gold standard”. It comes from their priorities (family preservation 1st, domestic adoptions 2nd, international adoption last) as well as their absolute refusal to bend rules or participate in any type of corruption, payments or favors. I would be very shocked to learn that anyone in their organization would be involved in any sort of trafficking allegations.

That said, of course we will continue to report any news on this situation – as well as other adoption-related news items out of VN – as objectively as possible and allow our readers to come to their own conclusions.

]]> By: bella http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2009/11/09/two-arrested-for-trafficking-in-southern-vietnamese-province/comment-page-1/#comment-3887 bella Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:02:54 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=449#comment-3887 So....are you okay with Holt's statement? You seem to have taken it easy on them as opposed to others. Certainly have been a number who deserve the flack, but why not Holt? What is your reason for not being a bit harsher in terms of questioning what they said in response to this event? So….are you okay with Holt’s statement? You seem to have taken it easy on them as opposed to others. Certainly have been a number who deserve the flack, but why not Holt? What is your reason for not being a bit harsher in terms of questioning what they said in response to this event?

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