Comments for Voices for Vietnam Adoption Integrity http://www.adoptionintegrity.com A collaborative blog advocating ethics in adoption Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:57:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 Comment on Update from the Department of State by melanie http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/18/update-from-the-department-of-state/#comment-1990 melanie Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:45:02 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=152#comment-1990 Our agency explained the amount of referrals projected is ALL families that have already been matched with a child and are waiting for travel approval. This is NOT new referrals. They further also explained that a "referral" is not offical until the letter from the DIA has approved the match, which is what normally takes place toward the end of your adoption. This is the approval you must receive before you file your 1-600. Another consideration is even though an agreement may be reached, you need to make sure that your agency has Hague accredition. If they do not, they will NOT be able to facilitate your adoption after the new agreement is reached. This means you would have to complete your adoption or start over through another agency. So check these things out now, so you can make an informed decision. Our agency explained the amount of referrals projected is ALL families that have already been matched with a child and are waiting for travel approval. This is NOT new referrals. They further also explained that a “referral” is not offical until the letter from the DIA has approved the match, which is what normally takes place toward the end of your adoption. This is the approval you must receive before you file your 1-600. Another consideration is even though an agreement may be reached, you need to make sure that your agency has Hague accredition. If they do not, they will NOT be able to facilitate your adoption after the new agreement is reached. This means you would have to complete your adoption or start over through another agency. So check these things out now, so you can make an informed decision.

]]> Comment on Update from the Department of State by Nike&Emma http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/18/update-from-the-department-of-state/#comment-1989 Nike&Emma Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:59:31 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=152#comment-1989 @ S: 'soft' referral is not accepted in Vietnam so surely DIA never count towards their estimation and announce on mass media. I understand the 1700 'pending' application means that dossiers have logged in Vietnam but no G&R ceremony yet till July 1. So 50% may include: 1) Got referral --- No G&R ceremony yet 2) Got referral --- No final decision yet 3) Got referral --- No travel approval (I-600 pre-approval) yet 3) Got referral --- No application for I-600 yet 4) Not assigned yet... hopefully can get referral before Sept. 1 Please correct me if I am wrong! @ S: ’soft’ referral is not accepted in Vietnam so surely DIA never count towards their estimation and announce on mass media.
I understand the 1700 ‘pending’ application means that dossiers have logged in Vietnam but no G&R ceremony yet till July 1.
So 50% may include:
1) Got referral — No G&R ceremony yet
2) Got referral — No final decision yet
3) Got referral — No travel approval (I-600 pre-approval) yet
3) Got referral — No application for I-600 yet
4) Not assigned yet… hopefully can get referral before Sept. 1
Please correct me if I am wrong!

]]> Comment on reservations by Tracy http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/15/reservations/#comment-1988 Tracy Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:06:06 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=149#comment-1988 David, You are right on two things, first this is not a time to start a war-I was talking about an AGENCY (which to me is not personal) and we all have our own opinions and standards for agencies (a big one for me would be that they are actually able to produce referrals and complete adoptions) and second I do not have any first hand knowlege of this agency-I get my information from friends (in real life and online) who are using this agency-and have yet to be matched sadly. I have a lot I could say about this agency (since you used my name 2x I am guessing you want to know what I think...haha), but I said my piece in my first statment about agencies (more than just LSS), honestly I understand why people are defensive right now-they have put their trust, time and money into agencies and may walk away without a baby. But I won't say anything further about this agency because it's just not worth hurting and/or making my friend (that I know in real life) angry or upset with me. I hope everyone is matched, but my point was there are MANY families out there that will not be matched and some of that is the fault (IMO) of agencies. If you want to e-mail me privately I will be more than happy to tell you my thoughts (but I doubt you are truly interested) on LSS and others. David,

You are right on two things, first this is not a time to start a war-I was talking about an AGENCY (which to me is not personal) and we all have our own opinions and standards for agencies (a big one for me would be that they are actually able to produce referrals and complete adoptions) and second I do not have any first hand knowlege of this agency-I get my information from friends (in real life and online) who are using this agency-and have yet to be matched sadly.

I have a lot I could say about this agency (since you used my name 2x I am guessing you want to know what I think…haha), but I said my piece in my first statment about agencies (more than just LSS), honestly I understand why people are defensive right now-they have put their trust, time and money into agencies and may walk away without a baby. But I won’t say anything further about this agency because it’s just not worth hurting and/or making my friend (that I know in real life) angry or upset with me.

I hope everyone is matched, but my point was there are MANY families out there that will not be matched and some of that is the fault (IMO) of agencies. If you want to e-mail me privately I will be more than happy to tell you my thoughts (but I doubt you are truly interested) on LSS and others.

]]> Comment on reservations by jena http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/15/reservations/#comment-1987 jena Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:17:24 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=149#comment-1987 David- Thank you so much for that specific information, it really helps to give specifics to help dispel the misinformation. Jena David-
Thank you so much for that specific information, it really helps to give specifics to help dispel the misinformation.
Jena

]]> Comment on Update from the Department of State by Nicki http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/18/update-from-the-department-of-state/#comment-1986 Nicki Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:37:48 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=152#comment-1986 I'm not aware of JCICS keeping a list of "ethical" agencies. JCICS is a membership organization *for* agencies (not PAPs) and, therefore, not the best resource for determining ethical credibility of the agencies who are also their members. My recommendation would be to join the Adoption Agency Research list (link on the right sidebar) and get your research directly from PAPs and APs who have used any given agency. For Vietnam, in particular, AAR kept an ethical agencies that was very comprehensive. I’m not aware of JCICS keeping a list of “ethical” agencies. JCICS is a membership organization *for* agencies (not PAPs) and, therefore, not the best resource for determining ethical credibility of the agencies who are also their members. My recommendation would be to join the Adoption Agency Research list (link on the right sidebar) and get your research directly from PAPs and APs who have used any given agency. For Vietnam, in particular, AAR kept an ethical agencies that was very comprehensive.

]]> Comment on Update from the Department of State by Neil http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/18/update-from-the-department-of-state/#comment-1985 Neil Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:24:55 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=152#comment-1985 This was posted today at JCICS... http://www.jcics.org/Vietnam.htm I hope this is a sign that the DIU and Vietnam is motivated to do away with the 9/1 deadline. In the meantime, our agency, Adoptions from the Heart was declined its Hague accreditation! The JCICS says that this agency is on their list of the 'ethical' agencies but nobody can tell me why they were denied (AFTH say they are asking for clarification). Does anyone have any ideas about this? It seems like the odds are against us.... This was posted today at JCICS…
http://www.jcics.org/Vietnam.htm

I hope this is a sign that the DIU and Vietnam is motivated to do away with the 9/1 deadline. In the meantime, our agency, Adoptions from the Heart was declined its Hague accreditation! The JCICS says that this agency is on their list of the ‘ethical’ agencies but nobody can tell me why they were denied (AFTH say they are asking for clarification). Does anyone have any ideas about this? It seems like the odds are against us….

]]> Comment on reservations by H http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/15/reservations/#comment-1984 H Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:15:25 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=149#comment-1984 Jena - I can certainly expand... I know for a fact that LSS is not taking money knowing they can't complete an adoption. They were one of the first to stop taking applications into their program. Others that were already in their program stayed at the first step without beginning their dossier (and therefore paying any country fees) until they had made referrals and felt families could reasonably have forward progress in their program. Again, my point was only that Tracy should be careful when making accusations unless she would like to provide a first hand account. My point is not to start anything on this board. This should be a time for support and understanding. David. Jena -
I can certainly expand…
I know for a fact that LSS is not taking money knowing they can’t complete an adoption. They were one of the first to stop taking applications into their program. Others that were already in their program stayed at the first step without beginning their dossier (and therefore paying any country fees) until they had made referrals and felt families could reasonably have forward progress in their program.

Again, my point was only that Tracy should be careful when making accusations unless she would like to provide a first hand account.

My point is not to start anything on this board. This should be a time for support and understanding.
David.

]]> Comment on Update from the Department of State by S http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/18/update-from-the-department-of-state/#comment-1980 S Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:04:50 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=152#comment-1980 Wonder if those referrals have already occured as "soft" referrals and they will get the investigations done, issue the I-600, and issue the official formal referral. Does that sound right? Wonder if those referrals have already occured as “soft” referrals and they will get the investigations done, issue the I-600, and issue the official formal referral. Does that sound right?

]]> Comment on reservations by Mary http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/15/reservations/#comment-1979 Mary Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:30:04 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=149#comment-1979 Isn't COA accreditation a tacit admission that the federal government also has a role in agency oversight? And let's face it, many, many agencies work across state borders. Federal AND state regulation are needed. Isn’t COA accreditation a tacit admission that the federal government also has a role in agency oversight? And let’s face it, many, many agencies work across state borders. Federal AND state regulation are needed.

]]> Comment on reservations by jena http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/2008/07/15/reservations/#comment-1978 jena Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:42:13 +0000 http://www.adoptionintegrity.com/?p=149#comment-1978 H- It would be very helpful if you could point out specifically how Tracy is uniformed about LSS. Any information would be helpful. Jena H-
It would be very helpful if you could point out specifically how Tracy is uniformed about LSS.
Any information would be helpful.
Jena

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